the flaw is the law itself. when you try to inject 159 new federal agencies, bureaucracies and commissions between you and your health care this is what happens and, this is the easy part. this was just the coverage. wait until the government starts making decisions on patient care, treatments and reimbursements. bill: you're going to have a lot more hearings on this. >> yeah. bill: more to the point, cms were the ones we were told, cms decided to go live. cms decided on the testing. cms decided on october 1st. that canadian contractor that testified, all the fingers of blame went to cms. is that where it stops? >> well, right now cms is the quarterback of the exchanges and the website. key questions that many of us have, credibility. you know, white house, secretary sebelius, c-ms repeatedly told the american public, this was ready to go october 1. none of it proved truthful. why should we believe them now when they say it will be okay soon? also, as you pointed out, millions of americans are being forced out o